winch bumper

XjShake

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Ok I'm pretty good with a welded but how good are 110 welders never had the pleasure of using one so I'm kinda uncertain of them... if I was to put a pretty good sized weld on one do you guys think a winch would tear the bumper apart?
 

there not too bad if your welding some thin metal but then again i have seen some work with some thick angle iron done with them, you just have to be patient with and let it burn in real good. i had one doing dime stacks when welding my bumper. good luck
 
XjShake said:
Ok I'm pretty good with a welded but how good are 110 welders never had the pleasure of using one so I'm kinda uncertain of them... if I was to put a pretty good sized weld on one do you guys think a winch would tear the bumper apart?

You would be better off with a 220
 
All depends on amps. The new Hobart Handler 140 works pretty good but I have a 60 amp Miller I use for sheet metal that I wouldn't trust for anything like a wench. I use my 220 for that.
 

XjShake said:
Ok I'm pretty good with a welded but how good are 110 welders never had the pleasure of using one so I'm kinda uncertain of them... if I was to put a pretty good sized weld on one do you guys think a winch would tear the bumper apart?

Harbor freight has a cheap 220 that does gas or flux thats nice
 
I have access to a 220... I was just curious... I would like to have one st home but can't really afford a 220 right...my jeep requires a cost flow of funds
 
I've built the majority of my jeep with a 110 miller160, It's an older 110 welder but works the balls. I also have a 220mig and water cooled tig but those are at my fathers house and when the jeep is not movable, I use the 110 at my house.

If you know how to prep metal, and how to propperly weld, you can weld 1/4 with out issue. 110 welders get a bad wrap because it is pretty much all that the average garage build guy with no welding experience can afford, then they pollute their vehicle with substandard welds, they break apart and he ends up blaming his crappy 110 welder. Common newbie issues I often see:

-Using .023 wire to weld 3/16 or thicker
-Not cleaning the welding field
-Having a 110 welder plugged into a 15 amp outlet
-too quick of a wire speed or too quick of a pass
-Using an extension cord that is not properly rated
-Using 95%-5% CO-Argon gas

There are other issues, but these are teh most common I've seen cause bad welds.

My suggestions.
-14 guage or thicker I always use .030 minimum, .035 for 1/4 and thicker
-I only run 75%-25% CO2-Argon with a 110 welder, the increase in shielding gas allows for hotter burn, deeper penetration.
-Always plug a 110 welder into a 20 amp outlet. if you need an extension cord, get one that is properly rated. RV stores will sell a 110v 50 amp rated cord with regular 110 plug ends for RV generators and camp plug in and stuff.
- Prep the surface, remove any debris that will contaminate your welding field or not allow for a good arch. people don't realize that metal is shipped with a coating to prevent rust when in storage, that needs to be removed. I like to go a step further and lightly grind before welding joints.
-Go Slow


Lastly I highly suggest not getting a harbor freight welder... you will get exactly what you pay for.. a crappy cheap welder, the internal components are just pure crap. Hobart makes a handler 140 welder that is a very good entry level welder, it will be more of an investment, but will last you far longer than some imported japanese POS.
 

I've built the majority of my jeep with a 110 miller160, It's an older 110 welder but works the balls. I also have a 220mig and water cooled tig but those are at my fathers house and when the jeep is not movable, I use the 110 at my house.

If you know how to prep metal, and how to propperly weld, you can weld 1/4 with out issue. 110 welders get a bad wrap because it is pretty much all that the average garage build guy with no welding experience can afford, then they pollute their vehicle with substandard welds, they break apart and he ends up blaming his crappy 110 welder. Common newbie issues I often see:

-Using .023 wire to weld 3/16 or thicker
-Not cleaning the welding field
-Having a 110 welder plugged into a 15 amp outlet
-too quick of a wire speed or too quick of a pass
-Using an extension cord that is not properly rated
-Using 95%-5% CO-Argon gas

There are other issues, but these are teh most common I've seen cause bad welds.

My suggestions.
-14 guage or thicker I always use .030 minimum, .035 for 1/4 and thicker
-I only run 75%-25% CO2-Argon with a 110 welder, the increase in shielding gas allows for hotter burn, deeper penetration.
-Always plug a 110 welder into a 20 amp outlet. if you need an extension cord, get one that is properly rated. RV stores will sell a 110v 50 amp rated cord with regular 110 plug ends for RV generators and camp plug in and stuff.
- Prep the surface, remove any debris that will contaminate your welding field or not allow for a good arch. people don't realize that metal is shipped with a coating to prevent rust when in storage, that needs to be removed. I like to go a step further and lightly grind before welding joints.
-Go Slow


Lastly I highly suggest not getting a harbor freight welder... you will get exactly what you pay for.. a crappy cheap welder, the internal components are just pure crap. Hobart makes a handler 140 welder that is a very good entry level welder, it will be more of an investment, but will last you far longer than some imported japanese POS.
i dont have any problem with my welder at all and i know quiet a few that weld just fine along side any hobart or other welder plus if it breaks i can take it right down the road and they will replace it
 
I am not saying they don't work, they are manufactured with inferior products, if I am spending $500-$2000 for a welder, I consider that an investment, when I invest in a tool, I look for quality of components, availability of parts, and potential longevity. in my experience with harbor freights welders (and the manufacturing brand escapes me right now) the feed liners wear out in only a couple years, the feed wheels pit and slip, wiring in the gun trigger, the spade terminal breaks, the speed board goes south often resulting in pulsing wire speeds. now these are not things that go wrong the day you start welding, most of these issue become apparent after a couple years of light to moderate use. these welders only have a 90 day warranty I believe. The only thing I am not sure of is if the consumables can be sourced from say Miller or Lincoln, if they are not, you have to buy harbor freight consumables.

As mentioned, my newest welder is my Syncro wave and even it is 17 years old. the only thing I've done other than routine maintenance is replace the water pump.
 
you can get a 220 arc lincoln unit on craigslist pretty regularly for less then a 110 unit is new. i have passed on many used 220 red box welders at garage sales because i didn't want to spend 50 on another. they show up so often i would bet you can find one in whatever large town is near you
 
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