A question of morals

Regardless of the moral issues, it really surprises my cynic self that the rich bssstard didn't show it just to make some more money.
 
This person is not denying anyone their right to watch that movie. If someone wants to watch it and it's not playing there they can go to another movie theatre. The only way he'd be denying someone their right to watch it was if he was actually playing the movie and said "you can't watch this". Of course if I remember correctly he still has that right to "deny service" if he wants. It's his business! Remember those signs behind the counter "WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE"? No ones rights are being infringed upon here by any means. Go to another theatre and watch the movie. I wish everyone would stop thinking they have these rights that automatically make everyone elses rights null and void. Here's another saying that I remember hearing once........"You're right to hit me STOPS where my face begins!"
 

If I owned a company that sold religious items and a dealer rep kept trying to have me buy satanic stuff, I would refuse because that is my right. If people don't want to frequent my store, that is their right. You have to make a stand when it comes to your morals/ethics. Many companies or corporations do not operate by morals anymore, they only operate by the dollar sign. I am glad this guy chose to stand up for what he believes in, I just hope he is ready for the backlash that many liberal groups will be nudging him with.
 
And another thing, I am not a homophobe, but couldn't they have came up with a more discreet name for the movie, or was this intentional. LOL
 
90Xjay said:
What if he just does not like promoting the "gay" lifestyle?
He is NOT denying anyone their "right" to see it.
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My bad, I didn't intend to say he was denying anyone's right to see it, I should have worded that differently.

90Xjay said:
And if he does not like it, why would it stand to reason that he would want to help promote it?
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Exactly. He has every right in the world to not show the film if it goes against his moral values, whether I or anyone else agrees with his values or not.
90Xjay said:
The whole reason the gays have to promote the lifestyle is to recrute others into it. Because, their un-natural relationships cannot produce gay offspring, they have to keep the lifestyle going by sucking others into it.
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:shock: Oh dear Lord!!!! Yeah, they choose to be gay so they can be persecuted, beaten, murdered, ostracized, get aids, and be denied the common courtesy of being treated as humans.......yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Geez, now I've heard it all.....I must've missed the recruiting posters and films while I was busy mis-reading my science books.:roll:
 

jumppr said:
I say it's up to the person selling the product if they want to include it or not. The same goes the other way too. If someone sells something or shows a movie you disagree with then you have the right to patronize somewhere else. Simple as that.

P.S. This should be an interesting thread by a few days from now. Let's see how crazy we can get with this one. :)
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What did I tell ya!?! I knew this would get people fired up. :)
 
Sparky-Watts said:
:shock: Oh dear Lord!!!! Yeah, they choose to be gay so they can be persecuted, beaten, murdered, ostracized, get aids, and be denied the common courtesy of being treated as humans.......yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Geez, now I've heard it all.....I must've missed the recruiting posters and films while I was busy mis-reading my science books.:roll:
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Sparky, I really do respect your assumption that gays can't help being "gay" But I disagree with you wholeheartedly.

You wrote yourself in your post that acting out the gay lifestyle is very dangerous.."persecuted, beaten, murdered, ostracized, get aids".
People who are pre-disposed to behave in any self-destructived behavior , like the people whose friends and parents hold interventions for to offer help and stop the behavior cycle, can with help, stop the pattern.

I will give you the concession that some people may have tendency to choose to live in this lifestyle and be to some degree comfortable in it. However, I also know that those very people can resist the temptations and live a more healthy, productive life instead.

It all centers around selfishness and rebellion.
I read about a husband and father of 2 children who decided that he wanted to start cross dressing and live as a woman.:? :? :?

Instead of seeking counseling, he decided to "go for it" and forsake his wife and children to pursue his own fantasies. What about the vows he took and the commitment he made to father children? The selfish jerk.
 
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it is interesting the people in the area that are opposing the non-showing of the movie. if that is something you either believe in or wanted to see, why would you want to give him the money for your viewing of the movie?

were his reasons public? or are we just making the obvious assumption as to why the owner is not showing the movie? just curious. the only difference in my mind that it makes is that if he publicly said why, it could have been kept to himself. all you gotta say is "it's my theatre, and i'm not showing the movie, end of story"
 

I have to disagree here to a point...

Firstly, regarding publicizing and etc... etc... This, I agree with... If anyone wants to be treated as normal, just one of the guys, whatever you want to call it, putting a spotlight on ya is not the way to do it... If you walked around at work saying "My name is *insert name here*, pay attention to me", you're not exactly making an attempt to just go with the flow...

hmm... My wording is not exactly coming out properly here, so I hope the gist is coming across... As far as this movie goes, in it's basest form, it's a story of love between two ranchers, yes? I have not seen it... But a story of love... Romeo and Juliet was a story of love... Moulin Rouge was a story of love. The Princess Bride was a story of love. Love's a touchy subject with me, main reason that I am such a cold and cynical person, but we won't go there... Anyway, love, between whomever... The Lion King was a story of love between two lions... The brave little toaster was a story of love and devotion between animated household appliances towards their master (with a heavy overtone of what a throw-away society we are)... I fail to see the difference between a guy and a girl being in love, two guys being in love, to girls being in love, two ducks being in love, a cartoon watermelon and a '67 Chevy being in love, love is love, if you don't want to see it, don't see the movie...

I do not see homosexuality as being self-destructive behaviour, again, this I have to disagree with... Self-destructive because it goes against the norm of society, yes, but this cannot really be helped... You're Jewish, living in Germany several decades ago, you're asking for a world of hurt... Should you just stop being Jewish then, because it's self-destructive, and will get you beaten, ostracised, abused, and possibly killed? Could you deny your faith with the help of others? Should you?

As far as where gay people come from, hard to say... True, gays cannot have kids. Simple biological fact of reproduction. Ducks and ducks make ducks. Turtles and turtles make turtles. Humans and humans make humans, it ends there... Straight humans do not necessarily make straight humans. Heterosexual persons, take me for example, are born as they are, I fail to how homosexuality cannot fall in the same category... I don't see it as a temptation to resist, or something to be intervened... I am a man, I am attracted to women... No amount of intervention from my friends is gonna suddenly make me want to get it on with guys, the shoe goes on both ways... As far as healthy productive lifestyle goes, who you are attracted to, and who you love has nothing to do with it...

This is a touchy subject with me... My sister is a lesbian. She tried to fight and fight what she truly felt, and be "normal"... And she had a totally normal childhood upbringing, from two totally normal parents, with two totally normal brothers, and plenty of normal friends and neighbors on a normal little street in a normal little town... But she fell in love with another girl, and is all the more happy for finding love, and not lying to herself anymore. Anything said about gay people can be turned right around... We all know how we feel about them, how do you think they feel about us... Try to imagine living as a gay person, but really being straight, most people would gag at the thought.

I do agree that if this guy owns the theatre, he can show whatever he well pleases, this is his business... Do I see it as a good business decision, no. But that's his perogative...

As far as his reasoning behind it, I disagree, all seems very closed minded to me.
 
Saurian said:
... You're Jewish, living in Germany several decades ago, you're asking for a world of hurt... Should you just stop being Jewish then, because it's self-destructive, and will get you beaten, ostracised, abused, and possibly killed? Could you deny your faith with the help of others? Should you?
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Good post and viewpoint on the matter, just not a good comparison.
You're essentially comparing AIDS to Hitler.

Hilter hated the Jews and hunted them down just for being Jewish. He thought they were sub-human and some stop short along the way of human evolution.

AIDS for the most part only seeks out those who act out in certian behavior.
If you wanted to stop AIDS then stop the risky behavior.
BUT people just want a cure so they can continue the behavior anyway. Take a pill and keep getting after it.

If you live good, moral, healthly lifestyle, have one husband or wife and neither of you ever go outside of the marriage, or take iv drugs, your chances of contracting AIDS is very small.
 
Saurian said:
.....I am a man, I am attracted to women... No amount of intervention from my friends is gonna suddenly make me want to get it on with guys, the shoe goes on both ways...
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Excellent point, I couldn't agree more.

Saurian said:
This is a touchy subject with me... My sister is a lesbian. She tried to fight and fight what she truly felt, and be "normal"... And she had a totally normal childhood upbringing, from two totally normal parents, with two totally normal brothers, and plenty of normal friends and neighbors on a normal little street in a normal little town... But she fell in love with another girl, and is all the more happy for finding love, and not lying to herself anymore.
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Again, another excellent point. I have two friends who are gay (not with each other), and for years they lived with the torment of their feelings, trying so hard to be "normal" and appear to be heterosexual. One was married for 15 years, fathered 3 children, was by all appearances a very loving father and husband. He finally couldn't take it anymore and confessed to his wife. She bolted for the door with the kids, and left him with nothing. When I worked in the ER, many of our "frequent flyers" were gay. Most of them were there for psychiatric treatment because of their conflicted feelings about being gay in a straight world. Several of them committed suicide because of the torment they were in. Nearly every one of them at some point broke down in tears because they wanted so badly to be "normal" but couldn't. Some even begged the doctors to do whatever it took to make them "straight". That is only one of the reasons I can't buy into the argument that it is a choice.

90Xjay said:
However, I also know that those very people can resist the temptations and live a more healthy, productive life instead.
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I can't buy this, either. How do you "know" what those very people can or can't do? Obviously, the ones I've met and worked with would give anything to live a more healthy and productive life, but can't. There is nothing healthy or productive about suicide.
 

Sparky-Watts said:
I can't buy this, either. How do you "know" what those very people can or can't do? Obviously, the ones I've met and worked with would give anything to live a more healthy and productive life, but can't. There is nothing healthy or productive about suicide.
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What you "buy" is up to you Sparky.

People may call me a homophobe, for "fearing" what I don't know or understand. I call them uninformed and ignorant for believing the lies that have been sold to out society about homosexual behavior.

I "know" that people can change. Thousands of former gay and lesbians have come out of the lifestyle with help from good organizations like Focus on the Family and Exodus International
There are plenty of well documented studies that indicate change can happen and they can be truly happy without being in that chosen lifestyle.
 
Sparky-Watts said:
It's a sin in the Bible. So is murder. So is adultery. So is coveting thy neighbor's wife. So is dishonoring (or disobeying, depending on your translation) your parents. Thing is, it happens, and there ain't much I can do about it except not watch it if I don't want to. However, I don't feel that gays should be persecuted for it. Science has already proven beyond a doubt that homosexuality is not an acquired trait as some believe, rather a genetic "defect", for lack of a better word.
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You are right when you make comparisons of sin. If you want to look at a biblical angle into this discussion then it is fact that all sin is sin in the eyes of God. Stealing a stick of gum is sin and so is murder.

Although this is the case, using this is no justification for apathy to any sin. Simply shrugging it off as everyday occurance and throwing up your hands with a "ain't much I can do about it" mentality is, in my eyes, condoning it. If you approve of it then fine, but if you recognize it as sin then that's different.

It's one thing to recognize that someone does something you disagree with, it's another to support what they do. If one does, in fact, believe it's wrong, then what can be done about it is simple - Don't support or condone it by sugar coating what it really is. Would you condone any of the other sins you listed because they happen every day? Why the exception?


I, like you, find it... as you put it... disgusting. I also believe it to be a sexual perversion and a sin. For this reason I would in no way condone it or support the political machine that drives all the crap like this ridiculous movie. When you hear of the "gay agenda", people mean the pushing of the idea that it is normal for a man to have sex with a man, or a woman to a woman. The pushing of the concept of gay marraige. The gay scenes on network television. This movie. These things go against what I believe, and they offend me.

Anyone is welcome to belittle that by calling it homophobia if they want to make them selves feel more comfortable with it, but what I call it is standing up for what I believe in. That is what the owner of that movie theatre has done and my hat's off to him.
 
Sparky-Watts said:
Science has already proven beyond a doubt that homosexuality is not an acquired trait as some believe, rather a genetic "defect", for lack of a better word.
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Hmmm, really? :shock:


Sparky-Watts said:
Who will be first to post a link to contradict that comment about science? We could post links all day long from both sides, but that is my belief from what I have read, and yes, I have read both sides of that argument. The "Gay by Choice" argument doesn't hold water, so let's not get into that debate again.:roll:
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Actually I would like a link or some reference to any solid evidence of what you say you read. I have yet to hear of or read anything other than that described as "theory" to support what you have written. There is no need to disprove something that does not exist...
...BUT...
...let's say for the sake of arguement that sexual perversions are some sort genetic (or any other) defect. Would this apply to all sexual deviants, or is homosexuality curiously unique to this theory? I think you know what I am getting at... This theory would leave pedephilia, beastiality, and the like open to the same arguement. Saying a gay is gay because he was born that way sounds nice, sounds diplomatic. Saying a child molester was just born that way and we should live and let live... well that is unsettling.
 

Everybody has there own opinon on this matter whether it be born gay or by choice I think this could be argued to death.I work with some gays men,and women great people they don't push it just except.I personnelly don't care what they do its apart of life always has been always will be,its just more open now.

As for the bible,sins and crap I'll leave that for another thead it might get nasty.

For that dude that doesn't want that movie in his theatre because he doesn't agree with it, its his choice whether right or wrong its still his choice.
 
So since I prefer brunettes does that make me a freak too? I got crazy drunk one night and tried a blonde, but that was back in my younger years. I've always known I was attracted to brunettes. I was born that way and daggummit I'm gonna die that way!
 
TwistedCopper said:
You are right when you make comparisons of sin. If you want to look at a biblical angle into this discussion then it is fact that all sin is sin in the eyes of God. Stealing a stick of gum is sin and so is murder.

Although this is the case, using this is no justification for apathy to any sin. Simply shrugging it off as everyday occurance and throwing up your hands with a "ain't much I can do about it" mentality is, in my eyes, condoning it. If you approve of it then fine, but if you recognize it as sin then that's different.

It's one thing to recognize that someone does something you disagree with, it's another to support what they do. If one does, in fact, believe it's wrong, then what can be done about it is simple - Don't support or condone it by sugar coating what it really is. Would you condone any of the other sins you listed because they happen every day? Why the exception?
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I don't see anywhere in my post where I said I condone homosexual behavior. What am I supposed to do, join Fred Phelps' church in Topeka, stand on street corners outside churches each week and shout that "God Hates Fags"? Carry a ball bat and whack every gay I see upside the head? How is persecuting them the same as not condoning their behavior? By your post, if I accept it as a part of life, and leave them to their rights as Americans to do what they want in the privacy of their own home, then I am condoning their behavior. No, I am not. I simply see no way that I can prevent the gays from living their lifestyle short of persecution. As for the other sins I listed in the Bible, no I don't condone any of them either, but they are a part of life that I can't change.

As for the second post, yes, there are tons of pieces of scientific literature out there pointing out a predisposition at the genetic level to being gay. I could wear out my little clicky finger posting links, but I won't, because for everyone I post, you will come up with some reason why it's wrong, and that will go on all year if I let it. You believe what you wanna believe, I'll believe the truth as I see it.
 

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I guess it's a fruitless question to ask how many of you have SEEN this MOVIE?

LOL

P.S. I know this one fabulous Lady Jeeper that is quite Deviant.
 
jumppr said:
So since I prefer brunettes does that make me a freak too? I got crazy drunk one night and tried a blonde, but that was back in my younger years. I've always known I was attracted to brunettes. I was born that way and daggummit I'm gonna die that way!
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Damn I have been with brunettes, blondes, and then I married a redhead...I think I am just confused :lol:
 
LadyJeepFreak said:
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I guess it's a fruitless question to ask how many of you have SEEN this MOVIE?

LOL

P.S. I know this one fabulous Lady Jeeper that is quite Deviant.
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I havent seen it. Hell, I still havent seen King Kong...however I let my wife drag me to see D**k & Jane, and I liked it AHHHHHHHHH. Now I know I have some genetic defect.


Doh, I have been sensored by the Jeepz Gods. Apparently they didnt like **** & Jane either. Stop oppressing me.
 
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