Different combustion chamber sizes 74 vs 85

blaylock6502

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I have a 74 cj5 I'm rebuilding and considering putting a head off an 85 on it to raise the compression. Does anyone know what the cc of the head is on the 74 vs the 85. I know I will have to drill the holes out in the head to accommodate my 1/2 in head bolts but other than that and using 85 pushrods and rockers it seems pretty straight forward I was just curious what the difference really was as they have same bore And stroke and appear to use the same pistons I just want to make sure the 85 head is going to bump me from 8:1 to claimed 9.2:1????
 

Or any site where I may find the specs would be great to I've been looking and can't find anything! Thanks!
 
It looks like it will.
The 258 used in '82-'86 CJs used a computer controled Carter BBD. The computer controls mixture based on an O2 sensor and other sensors.

AMC 258 I6
Bore x Stroke
3.75" x 3.90"
Displacement
258 (4.2L)
Compression Ratio
9.2:1
Horsepower (net)
115@3200
Torque (net)
210@1800
Main Bearings
7
Valve Configuration
OHV
Fuel
2bbl Carter BBD


The 258 used in '79-'81 CJs, some used a 1bbl carb and some used a 2bbl carb.

AMC 258 I6
Bore x Stroke
3.75" x 3.90"
Displacement
258 (4.2L)
Compression Ratio
8.3:1
Horsepower (net)
110@3500
Torque (net)
195@2000
Main Bearings
7
Valve Configuration
OHV
Fuel
1bbl and 2bbl
The 258 used in '72-'78 CJs, J-series pickups, and Wagoneers, some used a 1bbl carb and lower compression than later 258s.

AMC 258 I6
Bore x Stroke
3.75" x 3.90"
Displacement
258 (4.2L)
Compression Ratio
8.0:1
Horsepower (net)
110@3500
Torque (net)
195@2000
Main Bearings
7
Valve Configuration
OHV
Fuel
1bbl

The 258 was introduced in 1971 as the standard engine in J-series pickups and Wagoneers.

AMC 258 I6
Bore x Stroke
3.75" x 3.90"
Displacement
258 (4.2L)
Compression Ratio
8.5:1
Horsepower (gross)
150@3800
Torque (gross)
240@1800
Main Bearings
7
Valve Configuration
OHV
Fuel
1bbl Carter or Holley

I couldnt find what CC,s the heads are though.
 
Thanks I guess the info as far as cc just isn't out there but I plan on taking my old head with me so maybe ill be able to tell with them side by side. The only thing I can think of if they do in fact use the same piston is the combustion chamber being smaller or the deck height on the block being lower on an 82-86. I called northern auto and asked them what the difference was between rebuild kits for 72-81 and 82-86 and they said the only difference was the gasket kit (which I would assume would be the valve cover and the the head gasket) the oil pump and something else minor that I can't remember but it wasn't pistons
 

I found this too, but it didnt post right. The last number in the chart are the CC,s but only go up to 81. Gives you a idea anyway.
[SIZE=+1]Cylinder Head Castings[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Numerous cylinder heads are available for the AMC six. All utilize the same bolt pattern from 1965 to present Jeep 4.0L heads. Heads from 1964 to 1981 and all 4.0L heads use a 1/2" diameter head bolt, while heads from 1982 to 1988 for the 258 use 7/16" diameter head bolts. Heads manufactured during a given model year were used on all engines of that model year; there is no difference therefore between 1975 232 and 258 heads, for example. Valve head size and stem diameter are the same for all heads except the 4.0L which uses a larger valve head and smaller stem diameter. Rocker arm configurations vary from year to year, but the majority of heads use a non-adjustable bridged pivot design with stamped steel 1.6:1 rocker arms. Some older heads utilize a shaft mounted rocker arm system with ductile iron 1.5:1 rocker arms. Port sizes vary; older heads are typically considered “large port” heads, while newer heads are considered “small port”. The 4.0L head utilizes a revised port design of larger intake port cross section than the small port heads but comparable exhaust port cross section. The 4.0L head also utilizes raised intake and exhaust port locations for increased flow.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Large port heads were definitely used from 1965 to 1970, although there are rumors that they may have been used up to 1974. This is very unlikely due to the fact that AMC spent thousands on flow development of the newer small port design introduced in 1971. All large port heads I have found utilize shaft mounted rocker arms with an oil passage in the head that transfers oil from the camshaft bearing oil supply to the rocker shaft. Severe scoring and wear between the shaft and rockers is a common occurrence with this arrangement, and although there are multiple proposed solutions to the problem, none will result in the reliability and longevity required for serious performance applications, except a complete replacement of the system with a custom roller rocker arm arrangement. Large port heads feature semi-closed or fully open chambers, depending on the model year.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Small port heads were used from 1971 until the end of AMC production. The small port heads utilize very small exhaust ports with a substantially higher floor than the large port heads. Small port heads use either a small, open combustion chamber design or a larger, semi-closed chamber depending on the model year.[/SIZE]
MODEL YEAR ENGINE CASTING ROCKERS PORTS CHAMBER CC’S
1964-67 199/232 317071 SHAFT LARGE SEMI-CLOSED 56
1968-70 199/232 318988 SHAFT LARGE OPEN 62
1971 232/258 3211040 ????? SMALL OPEN 62
1972 232/258 3213809 ????? SMALL OPEN 62
1973 232/258 3213809 ????? SMALL OPEN 62
1974 232/258 3213809 ????? SMALL OPEN 62
3222652 ????? SMALL OPEN 62
1975-76 232/258 3224490 STUD SMALL OPEN 62
3224491 STUD SMALL OPEN 62
1977 232/258 3217259 STUD SMALL ???? ??
1978 232/258 ??????? STUD SMALL ???? ??
1979 232/258 3227258 STUD SMALL SEMI-CLOSED 74
1980 232/258 ??????? STUD SMALL SEMI-CLOSED 74
1981 232/258 ??????? STUD SMALL SEMI-CLOSED 74

[SIZE=-1]Note: Casting numbers are based on the NHRA list of approved castings, and thus correspond to model year. It is possible for a particular casting to have been installed on a model year vehicle up to one year previous or one year after those listed in the table, depending on the actual date of the casting and AMC’s remaining stock of previous years heads during the assembly of the vehicle. Combustion chamber cc's for 317071, 318988, and 3227258 were measured from heads in my posession. All other volumes are from outside sources.[/SIZE]
 
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while you have the head off, measure it your self. you just need a measured dropper and some water. then just record how many CCs of water it takes to fill the combustion chamber of hte heads
 
I had planned on it I was just curious if anyone knew before I bought the head but regardless I want the new style head so I will do it and update if anyone is as silly as I am and cares :)
 

The later heads are bigger combustion chamber for lower compression ratio and the pistons are popped up after '78 to boost the ratio plus bigger valves allow them to breath better. The intake changes between '70s and '80s increased flow considerably too.
 
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