Dog the Bounty Hunter VS Mexician Govt

[90Xjay]

Have you all heard the ridiculous bunch of BS?

Duane "Dog" Champan the world famous bounty hunter and star of the reality show on Biography channel has been sold out by your government to the Mexican government .

What happened in a nut shell is if you remember this richy rich guy named Andrew Luster, I think his name was? he is an aire to the Max Factor make up fortune and a millionaire himself, punk.

he had been date-raping several women by drugging them and had been charged here in in the US and jumped bail and fled the country. They asked Dog to go after him. Dog chased him all over the world and finally caught up to him in Mexico, where it is apparently a misdemeanor crime for bounty hunting there. As soon as Dog caught him, the Mexican police, who used Dog to flush Luster out, came in a arrested both of them.

[by the way, Luster in a bar working his next victim when he was caught]

Dog bailed out and came back to the US. Since the crime he was charged with is just a misdemeanor, his lawyer said, just never go back to Mexcio.

Well......your federal government made a deal to turn over Dog and sent a SWAT team and arrested him at his house, put him and his son and brother in Federal prison until they bailed out and are making him wear a monitor.

The Mexicans are trying to extridite him back to Mexico on a misdemeanor charge!! And your government is helping them. All because Dog took a RAPIST, who was convicted and is now serving his 100+ year sentence and when found had a hit list of women who testified against him, that he was going to get a little payback from.

This is wrong on so many levels, but I can't believe our feds sold him out, what do we have to gain favor from Mexico for by doing this to a citizen who took a convicted rapist off of the street on a traffic ticket like offense whose statute of limitations was just about to expire on.

What does this teach our young people about doing the right thing by catching a fugitive from the US Justice system and a rapist and protecting the lives of all of those women and preventing future rapes....?

 

[Bounty__Hunter]

I doubt it's only a midemeanor in Mexico, where did you get this info? My understanding, and how bounty hunting is treated in this state, is that it's equivelant to kidnapping or unlawful restraint. All felonies.

What about the message it sends to young people about being hypocritical, the fact the Dog arrests people who don't show up for court.

 

[dropseys]

Our govt sucks. We should be asking the mexican govt for the federales who kidnap, rob, and abuse american citizens on vacation. A friend of mine who used to work border patrol told me at night federales would shoot across teh border at border patrol. Why doesn't our govt do something about that? The govt must be getting something in return in order to give up a U.S. citizen. If the mexican govt wouldn't give us Luster, then why are we giving up Dog? Stupid Govt.

 

[dropseys]

In MD, bounty hunting is allowed and they have more rights then police do. I like to use them when I have a house thats hiding a wanted person. They show up and the condition of the release from jail they forfeit any rights to not allow the bounty hunters to search the house for the wanted subject.

 

[Sparky-Watts]

I doubt it's only a midemeanor in Mexico, where did you get this info? My understanding, and how bounty hunting is treated in this state, is that it's equivelant to kidnapping or unlawful restraint. All felonies.

What about the message it sends to young people about being hypocritical, the fact the Dog arrests people who don't show up for court.

Kinda what I had heard in the past. My uncle was a postal inspector in New Jersey and went to Mexico to nab a guy mailing cocaine through the USPS. He barely made it back out of Mexico with his hide once they found out why he was there. He said it's near impossible to just waltz in a nab someone, especially if they have the support of the Mexican govt.

Do you have a link to the full story, 90? I'd like to read it, as I haven't heard anything about it. I saw part of his show on satellite once, and didn't care for it (not much of a fan of reality TV).

 

[90Xjay]

I doubt it's only a midemeanor in Mexico, where did you get this info? My understanding, and how bounty hunting is treated in this state, is that it's equivelant to kidnapping or unlawful restraint. All felonies.

What about the message it sends to young people about being hypocritical, the fact the Dog arrests people who don't show up for court.

CNN's Rita Cosby reported that bounty hunting in Mexico is equal to the lowest misdemeanor it only carries a 2 or 3 year statute of limitations.
Also 2 of the Chapman's family attourneys stated it was not a felonly offense.

If you had to speed and break the law speeding to catch up to a drunk driver and force him off of the road before he killed someone would you turn yourself in for speeding and get in line to pay a fine for the speeding violation you willfully commited in order to stop a drunk driver from killing?

The lives of several young ladies were at stake, he had a hit list on him when they caught him.

Any bounty hunter sent to any prision usually won't survive long. Once they find out who you are, they try to kill you to make a name for themself.
A Mexican prision would be a death sentence for Dog his son and brother.
If you think they deserve that, then go ahead and think it. I think you'll be in the minority though.

 

[90Xjay]

Kinda what I had heard in the past. My uncle was a postal inspector in New Jersey and went to Mexico to nab a guy mailing cocaine through the USPS. He barely made it back out of Mexico with his hide once they found out why he was there. He said it's near impossible to just waltz in a nab someone, especially if they have the support of the Mexican govt.

Do you have a link to the full story, 90? I'd like to read it, as I haven't heard anything about it. I saw part of his show on satellite once, and didn't care for it (not much of a fan of reality TV).

Sure Sparky, here are a few of the latest news bits about the case.

CBSNEWS

Atlanta Journal piece written by Fmr Congressman Bob Barr who is now in private law practice

 

[Bounty__Hunter]

Also 2 of the Chapman's family attourneys stated it was not a felonly offense.

If you had to speed and break the law speeding to catch up to a drunk driver and force him off of the road before he killed someone would you turn yourself in for speeding and get in line to pay a fine for the speeding violation you willfully commited in order to stop a drunk driver from killing?

The lives of several young ladies were at stake, he had a hit list on him when they caught him.

Any bounty hunter sent to any prision usually won't survive long. Once they find out who you are, they try to kill you to make a name for themself.
A Mexican prision would be a death sentence for Dog his son and brother.
If you think they deserve that, then go ahead and think it. I think you'll be in the minority though.

Never heard of somebody's attorney putting thier own twist on the facts

As for implying I think they deserve death, you sure are stretching things :lol:

I just find it ironic and hypocritical (and humorous) that the Dog and his kin didn't show up for court. If he's half the professional he thinks he is he should know the regulations in all jurisdictions he wishes to work in regarding making arrests.

 

[mud4feet]

Bounty, you've got some very informative takes on this issue......kinda ironic, too, isn't it.....your Jeepz name - "Bounty_Hunter"?????:lol: :lol: :lol:

Anyway, great to have multiple viewpoints.....

 

[90Xjay]

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As for implying I think they deserve death, you sure are stretching things :lol:

Most people who work as prison guards will tell you that ex-lawenforcement, including bounty hunters, don't usually do well in prision. heck they helped put some of those people in there. The cons are looking for payback. Dog Chapman would not be any different. Just because it's Mexico, a hit could be put on him just as easy. I think the max sentence for the crime he commited is only 6 months anyway, but if you've ever been in the country, that don't mean squat. Once you inside a Mexican prison you may not be heard from for months or years. They lose track of people quite often. Here in the US, your photographed, printed and put away, as least there are records of where you are, there it is a whole different world. A friend of mine had his buddy disapear for a month in Mexico, he was caught with to many bottles of alcahol in his car and sat in a jail for almost 3 weeks waiting for a judge to hear his case. All the while he was not allowed any calls or any communication.

If Dog gets turned over to them, his life will be in serious danger.

Don't you think he deserves any break for taking a convicted rapist off of the street and bringing back a fugitive from justice?

your entitled to your opinion, I just know that if it had been me, I would not have returned to Mexico to a kanagroo court.

 

[Bounty__Hunter]

Don't you think he deserves any break for taking a convicted rapist off of the street and bringing back a fugitive from justice?

Yes, I think it should be a mitigating factor at his sentencing

 

[Sparky-Watts]

Sure Sparky, here are a few of the latest news bits about the case.

CBSNEWS

Atlanta Journal piece written by Fmr Congressman Bob Barr who is now in private law practice

Crazy chit. However, I'm with our Bounty Hunter on this one. Dog should have known what the laws were in Mexico (I can't believe he didn't). Secondly, he should have turned Luster (quite a name for a rapist, huh?) over to the Mexican authorities when asked, followed by a quick phone call to American authorities as to where Luster could be found. Thirdly (and I hate it when people say "thirdly") he should have gone to his hearing in Mexico. At that point, he himself became a bail jumper and a fugitive. Just because he is the star of some reality show doesn't give him diplomatic immunity or any other special rights. He is a citizen just like the rest of us, and I wouldn't expect the government to treat him any better or worse than any other citizen.

 

[90Xjay]

Crazy chit. However, I'm with our Bounty Hunter on this one. Dog should have known what the laws were in Mexico (I can't believe he didn't). Secondly, he should have turned Luster (quite a name for a rapist, huh?) over to the Mexican authorities when asked, followed by a quick phone call to American authorities as to where Luster could be found. Thirdly (and I hate it when people say "thirdly") he should have gone to his hearing in Mexico. At that point, he himself became a bail jumper and a fugitive. Just because he is the star of some reality show doesn't give him diplomatic immunity or any other special rights. He is a citizen just like the rest of us, and I wouldn't expect the government to treat him any better or worse than any other citizen.

Sparky,

The Mexicans did not have Luster and didn't know where he was or how to catch him. Dog was working with some of the Mexican police and they basically let Dog catch Luster(I know, that name just kills me) then 15 minutes after Dog had Luster the Mexican police took both of them into custody and took credit for finding Luster.

Many of their cops are dirty and on the take, it's nothing like here in the good ole US of A.

Dog did not have a TV show 3 years ago when this happened, this actually got him some exposure and some say led to him landing the TV show.

Nonetheless, I understand your view, Dog didn't know bounty hunting was illegal there and was actually working with some of the police who didn't bother to tell him what he was doing was against their law.

If I was him, knowing how crooked the Mexican legal system was, I wouldn't have went back for court their either.

Everybody having said their peace, I see your viewpoint, although I still think that our government has no business sending SWAT into his house and taking him in like they did and turning him over to the Mexicans, not for what is considered a misdeameanor there.

Our state department should have looked the other way while millions of illegal mexicans are running through our borders bringing dope with them every year.
things just seem out of whack.

 

[KrazyJeeper]

Let's contact their Government and see how we can extradite all these freakin illegal mexicans we have here. I wonder what their take would be then. I have nothing against immigration, legal that is, and crossing our borders is becoming a security issue now. This story disgust me that our gov would even think about turning him over.

 

[Sparky-Watts]

Sparky,

The Mexicans did not have Luster and didn't know where he was or how to catch him. Dog was working with some of the Mexican police and they basically let Dog catch Luster(I know, that name just kills me) then 15 minutes after Dog had Luster the Mexican police took both of them into custody and took credit for finding Luster.

Many of their cops are dirty and on the take, it's nothing like here in the good ole US of A.

Dog did not have a TV show 3 years ago when this happened, this actually got him some exposure and some say led to him landing the TV show.

Nonetheless, I understand your view, Dog didn't know bounty hunting was illegal there and was actually working with some of the police who didn't bother to tell him what he was doing was against their law.

If I was him, knowing how crooked the Mexican legal system was, I wouldn't have went back for court their either.

Everybody having said their peace, I see your viewpoint, although I still think that our government has no business sending SWAT into his house and taking him in like they did and turning him over to the Mexicans, not for what is considered a misdeameanor there.

Well, the two links you gave me didn't say anything about the Mexican Police actually helping him or being with him. If that's the case, then yeah, that stinks. I'd be leary of returning to Mexico for a hearing, being a private citizen, basically just another Joe, but with his popularity, I doubt he'd be shanghai'd for long, if at all. Even his attorney stated he should have returned for the hearing.

As for the SWAT teams busting him in his house, I'm a little iffy on that. I can see it either way. On one hand, he's a fugitive and just from his profession could be considered a danger to officers, not to mention a flight risk (by definition of being a fugitive). On the other hand, he's pretty well known, and I don't think finding him would have been a problem. After all, they removed his surveillance ankle bracelet so he could go to New York for a prior commitment. He most likely would have turned himself in had he known there was a warrant by the US govt.

things just seem out of whack.

Ya gotta admit, our government doesn't exactly have a surplus of whack!:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[TwistedCU]

I think at this point there should be intervention by the US Government to have Mexico drop the charges. We should worry more about sending plenty of other people back to Mexico who don't belong here like the illegal immigrants who are in the US.

If he did not show up for court in the US, then he should be held accountable for that, if convicted of a crime here he could have a sentance that would ensure his safety . If he went to Mexico for a purpose that was condoned by our government then he should have the government on his side fighting for him to stay here.

 

[90Xjay]

As far as I know, Dog hasn't been charged with any crime here in the US.
It is a state department deal going on and supposedly Condi Rice is getting alot of phone calls about it.


I just don't see the plus side for the US of bargining with Mexico, what could they have to offer us in return for giving up Dog?

 

[Bounty__Hunter]

I agree that the State Dept. should step up and do what they can for the Dog. But it all comes with a price.

 

[laxpug19]

I watched a special on this... i thought it was all over with?

 

[mingez]

My take on it doesn't involve whether what he did was "right" or "wrong"..."legal" or "Illegal". I don't care.

What ****es me off is that we are even kow-towing to the Mexican government. They don't deserve our cooperation, and it's not as if they ever reciprocate in similar instances. Luster himself is an example of the thousands of fled criminals that the Mexicans don't extradite to the US. We get one "criminal" that they want and instantly he's shipped off. Screw them I say.

And then there's the issue of illegal immigration, drug cartels...the list goes on.

Until we see some REAL effort coming from their side of the fence, I don't see any reason to export bounty hunters who arrest rapists, whether legally or not.