If the election where held today....
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Jeepster05
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Along the lines of the quote about the christian man running the country, I'm not 100% sure on this but I've heard Kerry is jewish and nothing against the jewish community but with the new escalation in palestine and Israel I think it would be a very bad time to elect a jewish president because now Palestine is pulling the U.S. into the fray saying that we are just as responsibe for the death of the Hamas leader. Any other time I would not let religion play a role in my decision but when it jeopardises national security I think I'll play it safe. Again I'm not trying to sound anti-semetic and I'm not even sure Kerry is Jewish, but I really don't want an Palestinian suicide bombing situation in the states.
mingez
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my jeep pulls left with gas, right without gas, whats up?
Hahahahahahaha!!! That was AWESOME. South 442, thanks... I needed that after reading this thread. :lol: :lol:
I don't think Muslim Fundamentalists will be any MORE or less motivated if Kerry is Jewish. They think we are satan, can't get anymore hateful than that.
LGR, I agree, I am going to retire, if you all look at the "Free Speech" thread, you'll understand why.
HiC, I'll call my relatives in that "dumb" country and tell them to "F" off for you. That's how we should treat one of our strongest allies. Riiiiggghhtt. Damn stupid japs, with their high faluten electronics....
I'm assuming there is no particular reason you picked the 'mother land' to pick on. We are indebted to quite a few coutries. Lay off the brothas! :lol:
Far Right, tell me what you are trying to set me up for and I'll tell you how I interpret the consitution. :wink: Y'see, I can politik.
Johnny, I agree with your entire post.
south442 said:
Hahahahahahaha!!! That was AWESOME. South 442, thanks... I needed that after reading this thread. :lol: :lol:
I don't think Muslim Fundamentalists will be any MORE or less motivated if Kerry is Jewish. They think we are satan, can't get anymore hateful than that.
LGR, I agree, I am going to retire, if you all look at the "Free Speech" thread, you'll understand why.
HiC, I'll call my relatives in that "dumb" country and tell them to "F" off for you. That's how we should treat one of our strongest allies. Riiiiggghhtt. Damn stupid japs, with their high faluten electronics....
I'm assuming there is no particular reason you picked the 'mother land' to pick on. We are indebted to quite a few coutries. Lay off the brothas! :lol:
Far Right, tell me what you are trying to set me up for and I'll tell you how I interpret the consitution. :wink: Y'see, I can politik.
Johnny, I agree with your entire post.
TwistedCU
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limited slip in a dana 30
I wish I had the time to pick this pinky-leftist-whacko thread apart, but I have to go to work! LOL mingez, I couldn't resist. BTW- The smaller gov't issue was what I was referring to. Many of his campaign promises were upheld - like my nice tax breaks for one. I'll be back this evening...mingez said:
hi_c said:
C, I mean no disrespect but... I know you are way more intellegent than that. That has to be one of the most ignorant posts I have ever had the pleasure to read! I think I know what you are saying, something along the lines of people need to think for themselves, and I wish it was as easy as you say. So lets shut donw hardies or McD's, No more TV! Manditroy Exercise for all! Oh ya, it was called school! what heppened there?
What I am trying to Illistrate is, People (politics) are more interested in debating whether GWB was arreasted for a DWI when he was 18, or whether Kerry Hung around with Jane Fonda in the 70's. I think there are more important issues and topics to be addressed. I knoticed you did not quote what I said about police and fire departments, or the teachers?
Obeseity is a Problem, It is a disease, not whether you think this or not, it is. And just so you know, Ignoring it won't make it go away! Obesity, smokeing, Really any lifestyle base ailment is directly effected by lack of education, or mis-lead information!
Ex a McD big mac meal has ~62 gms of fat
Did you know that the McD's Ceasar Salad has ~68 gms of fat.
So all the people that have been mis-lead their whole life to believe that salad is better for them are now wrong!
The #1 killer in america is Heart Disease, and 45% of all people that die from Heart Disease are accually their Ideal weight, good example, do you know who Jim Neighbors is, Look him up.
Now Do you know how much money teachers in Boston Make a year. Probably not, But I do
$25,752 a year, thats all, and that is not any exaderation cause I will be happy to send you a copy of my W2! And it is not just Boston, it is teachers all over the nation! And these are the people that are shaping the future of this Nation!
I was reading another article not too long ago, did you know 7 out of 10 fire departments are under funded in America, and I am not talking about pay, I am talking about having the proper equiptment to perform there job safely.
Or Domestic Violence, Violent crimes, those seem to be topics missing from the debates. Why should we not talk about these.
Heres a fact for ya- There is a greater chance that you will be killed tomorrow by some one randomly than to be a vitcim of terrorism!
How about the Lack of funding for organizations that help under privaledged families? There used to be a Organization here in Boston that was called $h association, and was made up of a couple of people that would go into the inner city and urban neighborhoods and educate the youth about the enviroment, take these youths to the more rural areas of the state, and show them that there is a lot more in life than the hardships of inner city. Hundreds more thing they would do. While 4H was around here, Violent crime was low, 4H was discontinued last year as well as a large number of after school programs, Violent crime amoungst teen has doubled in Boston! (Zero-8 Coallition, Headstart program, and more all gone, Thanks GWB!)
OH Good ol dubbya, good ol Christian you say, who cares, seperation of church and state! His christian Values aren't worth Jack!
JFK arguably one of the greatest christian presidents ever, Couldn't keep his junk in his draws! he was too busy bopping MM! Nice values!
Not Offense to anyone, but you need to look at this from all aspects not the 3X3 soapbox you stand on!
AAARRRGGGG I need a beer!
mingez
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TwistedCopper said:
FYI - Copper, it's PINKO-leftist-whacko. Heheheheee :lol: Get it right bub... JK
I know you'll have something to say about that. I look forward to reading thoughts from my favorite "Facist-rightwinged-megalomanic" Heehee I couldn't resist either. :lol: No really, I know you veiws will be completely different than mine, but it's cool, I'm down. I always look forward to your posts.
Far Right - I don't exactly know how to answer. I'm not trying to dance around your question. The answer is: I simply interpret. It's neither loose nor strict to me. The Constitution is a document meant to evolve with the people and the times. Usually those who subscribe to old values tend to hate change. But, I say, that is it's strongest attribute.
Johnny, you are right on again with your last post.
Remember all, absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. I heard "Japanites" with my own two ears, he was asked to give some thoughts about the movie "Pearl Harbor." Not an Urban legend. Read the list below and maybe it doesn't seem so far fetched that an IVY leaguer would make such a mistake.
Here's some more:
"We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease."—Gothenburg, Sweden, June 14, 2001
I didn't go to Yale, but I believe that AFRICA is a CONTINENT.
"{waves hello}"- G.W. Bush waves to the blind musician, Stevie Wonder, as reported by the Washington Post, March 6th, 2002
"I understand that the unrest in the Middle East creates unrest throughout the region."-March 13th, 2000, Washington, D.C.
Last I checked the middle east IS the region.
"Do you have blacks too?" - Bush ignorantly asked Brazil's President Fernando Henrique Cardoso. Reported by the reputable German publication Der Spiegel. Rumor has it, Condoleza Rice interupted the president and explained in brief the African history in Brazil.
Yeah they do... they're called "Brazilians"
"There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, it's probably in Tennessee --that says, fool me once, shame on ... shame on you. Fool me ... You can't get fooled again." - G.W. Bush quoted by the Baltimore Sun - Oct 6, 2002
That isn't in Texas or anywhere else in the world.
''I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe—I believe what I believe is right."—Rome, July 22, 2001
You need to believe in...NOT TALKING.
Just do a search on "Bushisms" those are merely the first few I read.
C'mon.
TwistedCU
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CJ7 front clip on a YJ or going retro
2. 4H and the Scouts have been removed from alot of the buildings they used to have access to. This is because they refuse to remove GOD from their organizations, so the Gov't removed priveledge. My daughters will be in 4H and both the boys and girls in Scouting. (somebody's gotta make those cookies and build pinewood derby cars!)
3.W's values and Christian beliefs got him elected. This country was tired of the opposite with the Clintons. So although the values mean nothing to you, they're running this country right now. Sounds like you need to register to vote if you feel that strongly about that.
1. Teachers took the jobs they have. I knew teachers don't make Jack so I never considered it as a career option. Used to be primarily a job for women. They could raise their kids and work - and the schedules jived. That was in a different America, but the teachers unions have been too busy fighting political bull$#!t istead of wages. They need to shake up that union.jps4jeep said:
2. 4H and the Scouts have been removed from alot of the buildings they used to have access to. This is because they refuse to remove GOD from their organizations, so the Gov't removed priveledge. My daughters will be in 4H and both the boys and girls in Scouting. (somebody's gotta make those cookies and build pinewood derby cars!)
3.W's values and Christian beliefs got him elected. This country was tired of the opposite with the Clintons. So although the values mean nothing to you, they're running this country right now. Sounds like you need to register to vote if you feel that strongly about that.
TwistedCU
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Mingez, that "Bushism" stuff is done for every president. Shall I search Rush's archives? Nah.
Did a little digging. Check out these tax stats:
Top 50% of Wage Earners Pay 96.03% of Income Taxes
October 10, 2003
There is new data for 2001. The share of total income taxes paid by the top 1% fell to 33.89% from 37.42% in 2000. This is mainly because their income share (not just wages) fell from 20.81% to 17.53%. However, their average tax rate actually rose slightly from 27.45% to 27.50%.
All federal income taxes paid in the US:
Top 5% of wage earners : 53.25%
Top 10% of wage earners:64.89%
Top 50% of wage earners:96.03%
Think of it this way: less than four dollars out of every $100 paid in income taxes in the United States is paid by someone in the bottom 50% of wage earners. Are the top half millionaires? Noooo, more like "thousandaires." The top 50% were those individuals or couples filing jointly who earned $26,000 and up in 1999. (The top 1% earned $293,000-plus.)
Kinda blows the liberal "unfair" tax cut theory out of the water!
Did a little digging. Check out these tax stats:
Top 50% of Wage Earners Pay 96.03% of Income Taxes
October 10, 2003
There is new data for 2001. The share of total income taxes paid by the top 1% fell to 33.89% from 37.42% in 2000. This is mainly because their income share (not just wages) fell from 20.81% to 17.53%. However, their average tax rate actually rose slightly from 27.45% to 27.50%.
All federal income taxes paid in the US:
Top 5% of wage earners : 53.25%
Top 10% of wage earners:64.89%
Top 50% of wage earners:96.03%
Think of it this way: less than four dollars out of every $100 paid in income taxes in the United States is paid by someone in the bottom 50% of wage earners. Are the top half millionaires? Noooo, more like "thousandaires." The top 50% were those individuals or couples filing jointly who earned $26,000 and up in 1999. (The top 1% earned $293,000-plus.)
Kinda blows the liberal "unfair" tax cut theory out of the water!
mingez
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TwistedCopper said:
I already explained why that is a bogus retort.
We covered that in the free speech thread. Religious debate at this point is best left there (I know we don't want to revisit that one). I think my point was clear on the Thomas Jefferson speech. Absence of verbage in the constitution doesn't necessarily suggest the lack of that "right." ie "Right to a fair trial" not in the Constitution.
You are right about Kerry being a flip-flopper, hence why I said " I chose the lesser of two evils." I am not pro-Kerry, let's get that strait.
Your interpretation of those tax #'s, I'll get back to you on that tommorrow, I am tooo tired to acquire #'s tonight, but I know I can refute them.
As for respect:
You said,
That's not true. Saying things like that is exactly the type of talk that "Psycho" in North Korea said. One man's hero is another man's psycho I suppose. That is clearly the case with Bush.
Public opinion in the nations we consider allies is not favorable for the Bush admin. FYI. But, most people will respond: "who cares what they think." My opinion, we should care.
I think conservatives have weak argueing points, hindered by their belief that everyone in the US should believe the same things they do. A common Conservative debate tactic is to win an unwinable debate by spinning topics and dancing around questions. Oh wait... ALL politicians do that!!!!!!!!!
I think you're fooling yourself into believing that moron can win a debate. This is the part of the arguement no Bush supporter can win. He's simply horrible at debate and public speech.
You're correct, they DO do the funny quote thing for every president. But he has a propensity for doing it often. WAY more often than most.
Uhhhhh, no. If EVERY increase is tied into something horribly irresponsible, then it SHOULD be rejected. No military expendature proposal is a cut and dry situation, it's not that simple. All though many elephants would like to think it is.... talk about lame.. hee hee.
Far right, amendment procedure IS my point.
[quote="TwistedCopper]
1. Teachers took the jobs they have. I knew teachers don't make Jack so I never considered it as a career option. Used to be primarily a job for women. They could raise their kids and work - and the schedules jived. That was in a different America, but the teachers unions have been too busy fighting political bull$#!t istead of wages. They need to shake up that union.
2. 4H and the Scouts have been removed from alot of the buildings they used to have access to. This is because they refuse to remove GOD from their organizations, so the Gov't removed priveledge. My daughters will be in 4H and both the boys and girls in Scouting. (somebody's gotta make those cookies and build pinewood derby cars!)
3.W's values and Christian beliefs got him elected. This country was tired of the opposite with the Clintons. So although the values mean nothing to you, they're running this country right now. Sounds like you need to register to vote if you feel that strongly about that.[/quote]
That doesn't bother you? The Youth of this nation is also the future of this nation! Those are the people we should be working to protect! I see a lot of teachers that are making very low wages and are simply not passionate about teaching, and in the end the students suffer. Is this who you want to educate your kids, cause even if it is not the field you chose, if you got kids, your part of it!
If the nations youth have no place to go after school, cause mom and dad, or just mom, or just dad are working, what is to happen to them. They are more likly to end up hooked on drugs, gangs, or some other typs of ill-fated future. And I know this is different for all parts of this nation.
I doubt there is a charpter of the Bloods in the back woods of Idaho but in the urban areas, this is all true, I see it every day. The rural areas have there own issues to deal with.
Every summer The University I work for, donates my time, and I work in the summer programs in Boston. I try to educate the youth about a number of things. Mainly Nutrition and exercise (my field of expertise) but also among other issues.
I retire from this post! no one seems to care about the well being of the people of this fair contry! so.. Lets B*tch about money.
When I see a candidate represent himself in a manner in which I can feel empowered and passionate about, then I will vote, but untill then, I will work, pay my taxes, and do my part.
1. Teachers took the jobs they have. I knew teachers don't make Jack so I never considered it as a career option. Used to be primarily a job for women. They could raise their kids and work - and the schedules jived. That was in a different America, but the teachers unions have been too busy fighting political bull$#!t istead of wages. They need to shake up that union.
2. 4H and the Scouts have been removed from alot of the buildings they used to have access to. This is because they refuse to remove GOD from their organizations, so the Gov't removed priveledge. My daughters will be in 4H and both the boys and girls in Scouting. (somebody's gotta make those cookies and build pinewood derby cars!)
3.W's values and Christian beliefs got him elected. This country was tired of the opposite with the Clintons. So although the values mean nothing to you, they're running this country right now. Sounds like you need to register to vote if you feel that strongly about that.[/quote]
That doesn't bother you? The Youth of this nation is also the future of this nation! Those are the people we should be working to protect! I see a lot of teachers that are making very low wages and are simply not passionate about teaching, and in the end the students suffer. Is this who you want to educate your kids, cause even if it is not the field you chose, if you got kids, your part of it!
If the nations youth have no place to go after school, cause mom and dad, or just mom, or just dad are working, what is to happen to them. They are more likly to end up hooked on drugs, gangs, or some other typs of ill-fated future. And I know this is different for all parts of this nation.
I doubt there is a charpter of the Bloods in the back woods of Idaho but in the urban areas, this is all true, I see it every day. The rural areas have there own issues to deal with.
Every summer The University I work for, donates my time, and I work in the summer programs in Boston. I try to educate the youth about a number of things. Mainly Nutrition and exercise (my field of expertise) but also among other issues.
I retire from this post! no one seems to care about the well being of the people of this fair contry! so.. Lets B*tch about money.
When I see a candidate represent himself in a manner in which I can feel empowered and passionate about, then I will vote, but untill then, I will work, pay my taxes, and do my part.
Jps,
First, let's remember this is all a friendly discussion of personal views. Also, let's not take things out of context. I didn't say we need to close down McD's, Hardees, stop airing TV programs, nor implement a mandatory exercise program. I'm saying that it's all about choices. I love to go eat a 1/2 lb. thick burger and a large fry and a 32 oz. coke (not diet). But I'm 6'4" 195lbs. Pretty slender for my size. So I can do that. But when people CHOOSE to go to fast food for 10 of their 21 meals a week, and CHOOSE to watch TV for 3 hours a day, then they are saying that they CHOOSE to be obese. I just don't want to hear those same people cry about obesity and pass the blame onto the fattening food industry. I think I said at the end of my "rant" that my whole theme was people don't take responsibility for their own actions. I know that there are those who suffer from a real disease called obesity, and I'm sorry I blanketed my comments to include all who are obese. But I also think that most over-weight americans hide behind obesity to explain their poor choice selection. And that's makes me mad.
As for teachers, FD, PD, garbage collectors, and other public servants... I didn't mention anything, cause I don't know anything on those issues. I do think that these people should be among the highest paid careers. I hate to see a professional sports player make millions for playing a game, when someone else empties our garbage 5 days a week for minimum wage. I hate to see actors make millions for 3 months of work (or 1 million per episode - friends) when the teachers that taught them to read and write and add and subtract make barely enough to live paycheck to paycheck. I agree that teachers are the key to our future and the key to the success of this nation. So pay them MORE! However, I too, knew that teachers don't make much and I chose to be a programmer. So that's what I did. And I'm happy.
Finally, I love TwistedCopper's comment
Amen, brother.
C
First, let's remember this is all a friendly discussion of personal views. Also, let's not take things out of context. I didn't say we need to close down McD's, Hardees, stop airing TV programs, nor implement a mandatory exercise program. I'm saying that it's all about choices. I love to go eat a 1/2 lb. thick burger and a large fry and a 32 oz. coke (not diet). But I'm 6'4" 195lbs. Pretty slender for my size. So I can do that. But when people CHOOSE to go to fast food for 10 of their 21 meals a week, and CHOOSE to watch TV for 3 hours a day, then they are saying that they CHOOSE to be obese. I just don't want to hear those same people cry about obesity and pass the blame onto the fattening food industry. I think I said at the end of my "rant" that my whole theme was people don't take responsibility for their own actions. I know that there are those who suffer from a real disease called obesity, and I'm sorry I blanketed my comments to include all who are obese. But I also think that most over-weight americans hide behind obesity to explain their poor choice selection. And that's makes me mad.
As for teachers, FD, PD, garbage collectors, and other public servants... I didn't mention anything, cause I don't know anything on those issues. I do think that these people should be among the highest paid careers. I hate to see a professional sports player make millions for playing a game, when someone else empties our garbage 5 days a week for minimum wage. I hate to see actors make millions for 3 months of work (or 1 million per episode - friends) when the teachers that taught them to read and write and add and subtract make barely enough to live paycheck to paycheck. I agree that teachers are the key to our future and the key to the success of this nation. So pay them MORE! However, I too, knew that teachers don't make much and I chose to be a programmer. So that's what I did. And I'm happy.
Finally, I love TwistedCopper's comment
Amen, brother.
C
C, It is choices, I agree with you, i have a intensive 3 week curriculum that I give my student all about choices! I am 100% in agreement, but in order to make choice, you need to be educated on the topic. I used the McD's example about the Big Mac and The Salad. If you are not educated about how to read a foor label, or even where to find them, you would not know this.
This is a friendly debate, and I am not gonna punch ya out if we ever met or anything cause I am pissed, I just get frustrated cause it seams that the people that do the most to make the nation what it is, get the least (and not just moeny but also recognition), and vice versa.
This is a friendly debate, and I am not gonna punch ya out if we ever met or anything cause I am pissed, I just get frustrated cause it seams that the people that do the most to make the nation what it is, get the least (and not just moeny but also recognition), and vice versa.
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