Remote starters possible on a standard?

[firemanharry]

gotta love them old jeeps

My old carbed CJ would start in gear with a turn of the key. 3 turns of the starter and off she would go. 8)

 

[Tug-n-pull]

Don't turn the key on my ol CJ unless your ready to ride. tug

 

[L33TJ33P]

I have had Clutches go out on on Friends rigs. guess how they got home. have the rig in 1st and hold the key in the start position until it is fast enough to not die. then shift without the clutch. if that remote starter sends power to that starter for 8-10 secs then your rig will be a good ways away from where it started. it isn't like you being in there and letting go of the key on the first Jump.

also, my TJ will roll all day on level ground without any gas in first or second. there would be no stopping it except for a wall or a tree or another Car. a human just will not stop it.

 

[judge09]

Engine swap worthy?

Well it looks like its going to be your call ZBTstang. Obviously people have put remote starters in manual vehicles and I guess there are some horror stories out there. The other side of this arguement is installation. I doubt you will find anyone to do it for you. My buddy who had his install "knew someone."

 

[ZBTstang]

woah, 23 replies alredy, didnt expect this. It has been something that I have just been considering, wanted to throw the idea out there to see how realistic it could be. On the TJ I dont believe it would work for a couple of reasons. Im not about to start bypassing things just so I can have a remote starter. To start the TJ you have to have the clutch down, and im not about to install anything where I would make changes like this. However when I start the jeep with the clutch depressed that jeep is going nowhere, even if im in gear. The only way I would want to install a remote starter was if it had some kind of feature where the jeep could be in a neutral state ( even if in gear!) kinda like how you need to put the key in before you can go. I would do this because of the safety factor, and because of the fact that it would just stall out... without the clutch down or me driving, the jeep would just buck and die.

 

[ZBTstang]

P.S. Tug you asked why, and I thank you for your input. The only reason I was considering was due to the fact that like I said, I always mean to start my car in the morning and run out and to do it, but it doesnt happen that way, pressing a button would get done. Same thing if I was somewhere and wanted it clear and warm for me to go.
I would also just basically be looking for the same thing as me going to start my car by throwing it in nuetral, but without having to leave my key.

 

[Craig]

There is a way you could have it neutral. You would have to remember to leave your transfercase in neutral everytime you park. As for the remote starter causing your vehicle to go down the street, it is possible. The vehicle that was mentioned in an earlier post that just jumped forward most likely had the e-brake on causing it to jump forward and stall. With a lot of remote starters, they will try to start the vehicle for a set period of time until the vehicle is running. If it was left in gear and the e-brake wasn't very strong, it could possibly try to start the vehicle for a set period of time like mabye 10 seconds. 10 seconds is plenty of time to move the vehicle down the street. It doesn't have to be running for it to move. As long as it's in gear and the starter is engaged and trying to start the motor, it can move the vehicle.

 

[dingus]

The Final Goodbye...A Loss...

i've heard of 2 methods of the car "knowing" if its in gear or not...

one is a series of lasers that reflect around the shift lever itself... if the laser is tripped, it disarms the remote start... this setup is hard to set up, but i've heard its possible to do.

another setup involves just the door sensors... you have the car running, press a button, take the key out... it stays running. close all the doors, lock the car, while its running still. use the button on your remote to stop the engine. next time you hit the 'start' button it will start AS LONG AS the doors have not been opened. (this would be kinda useless with a soft top or topless wrangler as people could just reach in and put it in gear without opening the doors... also wouldn't work if your rig DOESN'T have doors lol...

 

[Tug-n-pull]

differential leak

one is a series of lasers that reflect around the shift lever itself... if the laser is tripped, it disarms the remote start... this setup is hard to set up, but i've heard its possible to do.

Yea that should be ez and cheap to set up and if you are on the trail keeping all them mirrors and lassers and stuff lined up should not be to much of a thing hehehehe Tug

 

[TwistedCU]

you would have to be holding that start button for a good 2-3miniutes in order to go 50 yards!! and most older jeeps will not start in gear..they will just turn over. try starting your jeep in gear sometime( while you are in the jeep) and you will know what i mean. :lol:

Wrong answer. One push of a button and it cranks until the engine starts. You don't hold it down. I used to be a 12 volt guy (installer and sales) and I've put enough of them in to know.

What is so hard for you guys to understand? The jeep starts, it is in gear, it rolls away! Get in your jeep, put it in gear and start it. The starter will get the jeep rolling, then the motor will take over. I know I can leave my YJ in first gear and it will chug along without giving it any extra gas. A steep incline might stall it, but that's about it. It's just plain irresponsible!

 

[dingus]

yeah, i actually drove an old (non-running) '86 honda accord up my driveway into the garage USING THE STARTER!!!

 

[L33TJ33P]

ZB all you have to do to "By-pass" the Clutch start is put a 20 amp fuse into the #20 slot in your Fuse panel. It is a feature that Jeep added when they added the Clutch start, there is No re-wiring.

 

[jeepfan555]

One of my friends put a remote start on his manual 94' YJ and he put a mercury switch on it. If he ever started it in gear the car would move a little and the mercury switch would kick in and kill the start. He bought the switch for like $5 at an autoparts store. It seemed really simple.

 

[BostonJeep]

can u explain more about this mercury switch?

 

[dingus]

Cherokee 4.0L Backfire

mercury, as you all remember from chemistry class, is a metal, and thus a conductor. when the car is level, so is the mercury. however, once the car jolts (if you start it while in gear), the surface of the mercury also jump, tripping a sensor, probably just by touching something metal. this completes a circuit, which would in turn tell the remote start "brain" to stop the start process.

 

[Tug-n-pull]

What I see so far is! Yes it can be done. No it is not going to be safe. Yes it can be done with fail safes if you can figure out all the ups and downs of it. Now the only real question is "is it worth the effort and danger" tug

 

[firemanharry]

OK.......I've got the answer. For 100 grand a year I'll hang out with you and start your Jeep for you whenever you want. I'll also sit in the Jeep while it is running to prevent theft. As an added bonus (and because I'm such a nice guy) I'll even keep my foot on the brake to keep it from rolling away. Deal??? :lol:

 

[Snitty]

i'm with TwistedC on this one... there was one time my clutch lines went... so i had no clutch petal to work with... i simply turned the key, no gas, and away i went, idling my way down the block.. i could have made it across town if i wanted... the starter will crank for a good amount of time until it recieves tach signal, then it stops cranking, and the engine is running at idle speed.. plus the initial starting revs due to it being under load.... this will continue until the jeep comes upon an obstacle which requires more torque than is created at idle speed

 

[mingez]

If someone is stupid enough to be outside in Connecticut during the winter than they deserve to be hit by your jeep! I don't know how you people do it, It's freaking cold out there. (I'm kidding)

When I move back up to Denver, I'll probably want to install one too, however, my XJ is auto. But yeah, seems like a lot of problems/risk for very little return.

But with Mods, where do you draw the line? Almost everything we do to our vehicles most OTHER people say isn't worth the risk. It's dangerous to put a remote starter in your manual trans...sure. It's also dangerous to lift your truck, put non gripping off road tires, and drive in the rain while going 65 on the freeway. But modifications are exactly that. If they were normal, it'd be stock.

Are you in the city?? Or out in the country? I think how much population there is around your location is what should determine whether you should or shouldn't install the remote starter. If you're out in the middle of nowhere, than the risk is much less. If your in the city, I probably wouldn't.
--Ian

 

[ZBTstang]

soft doors

Im not really in the city or the country. I live in a pretty avg size, avg population type of middle class town. To me though its not worth the risk or the hassle. I just need to condtion myself to start it before I start getting ready in the morning. The only way I would want to even do this is if it was as easy and convienent as being on an automatic. I wanted to hear the feedback from what people had to say, which I thank you for. I didnt really consider that thered be any saftey problems associated with this, Im just pretty jealous of the people that can do this with their automatics, I guess thats the price I pay for actually doing the driving myslef (manual)