Here is another Messed up Superhero...

[90Xjay]

Nope,... tryinjg to convince them to come on down and Party!!

Come down and stay awhile but leave your liberalism there.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[TwistedCU]

I don't think either extreeme is correct. People love to quote what the founding fathers did or didn't intend as if in some way it lends creedance to their side of an argument. Truth be told the founding fathers probably wouldn't have a clue how to run this America. The ACLU has done some wonderful things in its history. So did Hitler. The belief in a Supreme Being has been the inspiration for the butchering of millions of dissidents. Oh yea, and those great W.W.J.D. braclets. There isn't a conspiracy to overthrow Christian America, rather what you are seeing is the gradual changing of the gaurd which has happened in other nations for hundreds of years. Look at France, Spain, Europe, the middle east. We are a very young country, in the grand scheme of things. Growing pains are an absolute.

Don't worry, the Christian fabric of America won't be destroyed by the ACLU or Darwinism, or even Girls Gone Wild, or any other movement. It will just change and adapt, as it has since it's birth 2000 years ago when the first chocolate rabbit laid the first painted egg.

And oh Yea,... Superman has converted in the new movie. He's now Canadian!!!!!

A very astute post.

as·tute (ə-stūt', ə-styūt') - Having or showing shrewdness and discernment, especially with respect to one's own concerns.
The founding fathers went about their task in laying a foundation for our Country and our government in a manner that clearly did not leave question as to their intent. Yes, many try to twist truths or use short quips while selectively omitting important details, but anyone who is well studied in US history will tell you their purposes were clear.

I beg to differ on the comment about their inability to run our government. If we better followed their plan today we would not have so many problems like government spending, poor foreign policy, and unfair taxation (and without representation in Washington, D.C.). We wouldn't have such a big government and the individual States would have more control over themselves. I am certain the first thing they would do is "clean house" lol

Not sure how the ALCU and Hitler fell into this thread but to me, one was a dictator, and the others are socialists.

I'm not sure what the Crusades or the Spanish Inquisition have to to with this thread either, but it was a nice lead in to the Darwin, Girls Gone Wild, greatest Choclate bunny-painted egg story ever told

Oh, and I am not worried.

 

[OutOfStep]

For what it is worth, I have never seen documentiation of his membership either, however I have seen photographs of him in Lodge wearing Masonic garb.

Proof that the Mason's rule the world as permament photographs weren't invented until the mid 1800's

 

[Snitty]

...If we better followed their plan today we would not have so many problems like government spending, poor foreign policy, and unfair taxation (and without representation in Washington, D.C...

Accurate indeed

 

[mingez]

Yes, many try to twist truths or use short quips while selectively omitting important details, but anyone who is well studied in US history will tell you their purposes were clear.

I beg to differ with that one. Many folks "Well studied" in US history will give you conflicting reports on every detail of history. Mostly because history itself is flawed!

It is the writings of humans, full of biases and agendas. Both sides of any agenda are well represented in the altering of history. (not just the Left) This is why I changed majors. It's not an exact science by any stretch of the imagination.

TC, you're pretty well read when it comes to US history. But how can you be certain the information you've recieved too hasn't been altered because of an agenda? You can't. There is no such thing as unaltered history because even the original author hasn't the ability to be completely objective. (Including the word of the founding fathers themselves!)

We, as fallible humans, tend to mix up the difference between "history" and "events in time." They most assuredly are never the same thing. History is an inaccurate account of an event that actually happened, filtered through all of the author's biases, religious beliefs, political ideologies, and financial interests. Even if the historian's number one objective is objectivity, it's an exercise in futility.

The only thing we can all be sure of is that history is always inaccurate, in both directions.

From there it's a matter of picking the side you want to believe.

 

[Gone&DoneIt]

Proof that the Mason's rule the world as permament photographs weren't invented until the mid 1800's

Ahh, you are correct sir, I apologize for my inaccurate depiction. In the lodge in Philedelphia there is a portrait- not photograph-of Thomas Jefferson in Masonic garb and in lodge surroundings. Thanks for pointing out my error.....

Masons rule the world?!?! The ACLU would never allow it!!!

 

[Gone&DoneIt]

What I maintain is that there is a strong liberal influence amongst NEA educators and college professors. Read some NEA publications and you will see. It is overwhelmingly evident. They are willing to re-write history rather than tell a truth that may not be appealing to them.

As I thought about this entire string I realized something though. I am very glad you have such conviction Twisted. It is your faith, and others like yourself, that will ensure the country doesn't swing too far from the moral bedrock we as a country are rooted in. I am man of faith, but all too often I find myself arguing the other side of religious discussions to add a measure of common sense and fairness. I realized today that if I, and others like me, are successful in "curtailing" the fervor of the religious right, then all we will really be doing is undermining the balance that is so essential to the wellbeing of this country. Thanks.

Who would have thought one would have a philosophy altering moment on a board about jeeps, mud and rocks!!

 

[90Xjay]

Proof that the Mason's rule the world as permament photographs weren't invented until the mid 1800's

I can't prove he was a mason either, but that time I got to meet him, he did give me the secret handshake and the distress stance as a signal.

 

[TerryMason]

this thread makes my head hurt. I do however agree that masons should rule the world.

BTW - I thought superman returns was ok... It seemed that they were looking for as large an audience as possible (lots of feelings in the movie, limited violence). I can personally see why they would leave out the "american way" when these movies will be watched all over the world.

 

[mingez]

I can't prove he was a mason either, but that time I got to meet him, he did give me the secret handshake and the distress stance as a signal.

Dang, and I thought Mud and Tug were the oldest Jeeperz on this board. :lol:

 

[TwistedCU]

As I thought about this entire string I realized something though. I am very glad you have such conviction Twisted. It is your faith, and others like yourself, that will ensure the country doesn't swing too far from the moral bedrock we as a country are rooted in. I am man of faith, but all too often I find myself arguing the other side of religious discussions to add a measure of common sense and fairness. I realized today that if I, and others like me, are successful in "curtailing" the fervor of the religious right, then all we will really be doing is undermining the balance that is so essential to the wellbeing of this country. Thanks.

Who would have thought one would have a philosophy altering moment on a board about jeeps, mud and rocks!!

WHile although I really don't like to consider myself "religious", I definately lean towards the right. At least I did, but the right doesn't seem so right of center anymore. Politically, I guess I am with the majority of the country in the "disgusted with all of them" catagory.

I agree that the "moral bedrock" as you say, originated from people of faith. I also acknowledge that it is challenged daily. THe problem is there needs to be a foundation for morality if it is to be upheld in any respect. Without that foundation, there is too much controversay, too many varying motives, and nothing solid would ever be maintained or established. Without it everything from common decency to lawmaking would be one large grey area full of confusion and dismay.

Tug once used the phrase "stand for something or you will fall for anything" here on Jeepz. It was not the first time I ever heard it but it stuck with me.

Thank you for your post, it was very encouraging.

 

[OutOfStep]

I realized today that if I, and others like me, are successful in "curtailing" the fervor of the religious right, then all we will really be doing is undermining the balance that is so essential to the wellbeing of this country.

Or would your ceasing to debate undermine the balance? :lol:

 

[Gone&DoneIt]

Or would your ceasing to debate undermine the balance? :lol:

Touche':lol:

 

[Sparky-Watts]

From here:

I beg to differ with that one. Many folks "Well studied" in US history will give you conflicting reports on every detail of history. Mostly because history itself is flawed!

To here:

The only thing we can all be sure of is that history is always inaccurate, in both directions.

From there it's a matter of picking the side you want to believe.

I must say that this is the most accurate post so far in this thread. Anyone who claims that history is accurate is far from "well studied" in US History. Quite the contrary, they are most likely only "well studied" in the bits and pieces of US History that they choose to support their own beliefs. I agree with Mingez, History is not now, and never will be, an exact science, no matter who writes it, nor who reads it.

 

[TwistedCU]

From here:



To here:



I must say that this is the most accurate post so far in this thread. Anyone who claims that history is accurate is far from "well studied" in US History. Quite the contrary, they are most likely only "well studied" in the bits and pieces of US History that they choose to support their own beliefs. I agree with Mingez, History is not now, and never will be, an exact science, no matter who writes it, nor who reads it.

Good thing no one made that claim

 

[90Xjay]

Dang, and I thought Mud and Tug were the oldest Jeeperz on this board. :lol:

I hope you are not disputing my account of meeting him!!:urple: urple: urple: urple: urple:

 

[Sparky-Watts]

Good thing no one made that claim

Yeah, here or any other thread, 'cause that sure would make them look like a total idiot!

 

[Sparky-Watts]

I hope you are not disputing my account of meeting him!!:urple: urple: urple: urple: urple:

Oh, heavens no!! In fact, he told me just the other day about that meeting, and said you got the secret handshake wrong. You gave him the handshake for the "He-man Woman Hater's Club" instead. Darn that Spanky and Alfalfa!!!urple:

 

[TwistedCU]

The founding fathers went about their task in laying a foundation for our Country and our government in a manner that clearly did not leave question as to their intent...anyone who is well studied in US history will tell you their purposes were clear.

Their purposes were clear... Self-government, avoiding taxation without representation, Life, Liberty, Pursuit of happiness...

you know...

all that stuff...

Ring a bell? Nevermind the history buffs, is this not common knowledge to anyone here?

I said their intent was clear... not the accuracy of history in general. If somehow any of you thought I meant anthing else then I apologize for a lack of clarity... I thought it was pretty straightforward. :?

 

[Snitty]

Self-government, avoiding taxation without representation, Life, Liberty, Pursuit of happiness...

you know...

all that stuff...

Ahh.... That is it.... That no longer is the "American Way". It once was, but the 14th Amendment has over time diminished the dream of such previous qualities. Honestly, by using ".. and all that stuff...", it more closely refers to those attributes than "... the American Way" does. Perhaps, other than the international explaination, the author of the movie is aware of the absence of such.