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[90Xjay]

Interesting, the legend I heard is that it was a Muslim slaughter of 50,000 Christians in the 8th century.

Really a mute point though since the Fez is known to have developed during the reign of Sultan Mahmud Khan II which spanned 1808-1839, and are called Fez's simply because the red pigment was only available surrounding the Village of Fez, so Fez's were only produced in Fez.

Though if you can find legitimate reference for your account I'll tip my Fez to ya ;-)

Okay, here we go again with the "you prove everything to me" deal....:-|

No, you prove to me what was used for the red pigment and show me proof of your claims. Do you have a picture of the old sultan wearing one...?

 

[OutOfStep]

You're the one that is making the claim, surely you have at least one source from which you derive your notion? If you're going to cast someone as the devil or anti-Semitic you should be sure that you have some type of supporting facts or documentation.

I've already given a link to Wiki's page on the Fez in support of my claim. I can pull up a load of reputable web pages if you'd like that support my position, you can come on over and look at my encyclopedia, or feel free to stop by your local library. Just let me know which you prefer :lol:

There's a difference between debating and arguing. I see debating is a back and forth of ideas backed up with verifiable information with the goal of gaining knowledge for both sides; however, arguing is making baseless claims and backing them up with emotions with no real goal except for capitulation from your opponent. You appear to have suckered me into an argument :lol:

 

[90Xjay]

Interesting, the legend I heard is that it was a Muslim slaughter of 50,000 Christians in the 8th century.

Really a mute point though since the Fez is known to have developed during the reign of Sultan Mahmud Khan II which spanned 1808-1839, and are called Fez's simply because the red pigment was only available surrounding the Village of Fez, so Fez's were only produced in Fez.

Though if you can find legitimate reference for your account I'll tip my Fez to ya ;-)

Oh yeah. I see now. the reference I had was a "mute" point:-| :-|
But because you typed in a sentence you claim to have read in a book, thats the gospel truth.

Then the challenge comes when you wrote for me to find a "legitimate" reference for my claim, which you attempt to imply that my claim was not legitimate to begin with.

Then you blame me for suckering you into an argument?

Read: The Mystic Shrine.. Ezra A Cook. Chicago 1975

Your a crafty wordsmith.. I'll give you that

And with those words I shall retire myself from Jeepz.com for the rest of the weekend. I may log back on a read a bit but this thread has came down to the same ole song and dance. My interpretation of history is obviously different than that of Out of Step. He has studied and so have I. I have a great deal of research nformation on this topic and I have drawn different conclusions than he has. I really don't care enough about what his interpretation of the facts are enough to want to sit here all weekend and post reply after reply trying to convince someone else. I have in the past, but I'm just not inclined to. I have a life outside of the internet.

Tally ho...8)

 

[OutOfStep]

Excuse my Mute, I often don't read what the spell check says; truth be told I'm a horrible speller, I blame it on the spell checker and lazyness on my part. Its the same thing with math really, though I blame that on calculators and disinterest. :lol:

Your reference was a moot point because you made a claim with no base, no reference, nothing backing it up. It was just hangin there all by its lonesome.

I offered my opinion and my supporting documentation with a direct link to that documentation so that you may review it at your leisure and offer a counter point, or question the validity of the source. It seemed to be a waste of time to produce more than one source as people typically wont bother to click the link and read it anyway.

As for your reference, Ezra Cook is hardly what anyone would call an unbiased source.

I think you like the debates, if you didn't then why do you always engage in them?

 

[Snitty]

I think we all have our unique sources for our information. As OutofStep mentions, it is easy to ignore each other's sources to back up our own. I've read several cases for each side, as I've spoken personally with different very well educated people on each side of the fence here. I have no doubts on my own conclusions... However, I do not divorce the possibility of error in my understanding and/or the sources from which I derived my information. Just as the "official history" of any topic can be flawed, so can the many other "unofficial histories". That understanding of possible error is one of the things that drives me to continue furthering the education of these related topics.

Thanks to everyone involved in this discussion. I happen to find it quite enjoyable.

 

[TwistedCU]

Thanks to everyone involved in this discussion. I happen to find it quite enjoyable.

me too.

By the way, a point that involves no audible sound would be "mute", one that is meaningless would be considered "moot"

I know, i could use some grammer and spelling lessons myself, but I actually knew that one.urple:

 

[Sparky-Watts]

Run, rabbit run. Dig that hole against the sun.
When at last the work is done,
Don't sit down, it's time to dig another one.

 

[Gone&DoneIt]

SHHH!!!!! Theyre here!