This weeks discussion

bchcky said:
i just feel its the fear of getting caught, not prison itself.

No, actually for me, it's the fear of going to prison that keeps me from finishing my "to do" list. If it were just getting caught and not going to prison, heck, I'd do it in an instant. Unfortunately, getting caught and going to prison go hand in hand, more often than not. In other words, if I knew there was absolutely no chance I would go to prison, then getting caught would not be a deterrent at all.
 
Sparky-Watts said:
I'd have to agree, for me anyway, prison is a deterrent. There are several people on my "to do" list, should I ever be granted a license to kill, but in the meantime, since killing them would send me to prison, I won't do it. That's the only reason there are some people still walking around alive in this world, because I don't want to go to prison. I could kill a scumbag with absolutely no compunction whatsoever. Once you've killed one person, it's easier the second time.

Sparky-Watts said:
No, actually for me, it's the fear of going to prison that keeps me from finishing my "to do" list. If it were just getting caught and not going to prison, heck, I'd do it in an instant. Unfortunately, getting caught and going to prison go hand in hand, more often than not. In other words, if I knew there was absolutely no chance I would go to prison, then getting caught would not be a deterrent at all.
Very good arguements for the death penalty (the ultimate deterrent).

By the way, is that what you meant when you told me that I had "just made the list"?
 

TwistedCopper said:
Very good arguements for the death penalty (the ultimate deterrent).

Huh?:? I guess I missed your point, could you elaborate?:???:

TwistedCopper said:
By the way, is that what you meant when you told me that I had "just made the list"?

Time will tell......:purple:
 
prison is for (re)habilitation. or at least it should be. and i say habilitation as opposed to rehabilitation because if you rehabilitate a con to what he/she was before, they're no better off. prison should be about habilitating someone, and making their re-entry into society a smoother transition.

don't get me wrong, i dont want to be all buddy buddy with cons, and i do think that the time served in prison should be "hard" time. but the fact of the matter is that of all the people that we have imprisoned in america today (county, state and federal), over 70% of them will be released at some point. this includes petty thieves, rapists, murderers and everyone else under the sun. 25 years to life does not usually mean life as most would assume.

we've tried harsher punishments on just about everything. and crime isnt going down. since prisons were instituted in america, there has never been a year where the inmate population has decreased, even with all the people that get released. they should not have normal luxuries or amenities that are enjoyed by those of us outside the walls, but they should have a civil time in there.

simple things such as providing education for inmates to earn GEDs go a long way. if a con is released, and never had a high school diploma in the first place, and is now a con, how are we to possibly think that they will not go back to a life of crime? there are plenty of places willing to hire ex-cons, but a diploma/GED is simply a must. even something as crazy as *ghasp* college courses could/should be offered. make them pay for something like that, make them put that measly prison salary to good use rather than cigarettes. i laugh when i hear people so opposed to this that they bring up the argument "so if i want my child to get a free college education i should just send them to prison??" absolutely not. nobody in their right mind would even think that that is a viable option. so why is that a good argument?

the fact is that you can't keep everyone locked up forever, so if you know they're going to be released, why not give them a chance to make it legit when they're out? cause if they don't make it, they're going to go back to a life of crime, and sure, they'll just end up in prison for a few more years, and you don't have to worry about them for a while again, but what about that day when you or someone you know is the victim.

so in conclusion, i guess i'm just saying that people that would clearly have a vendetta against them (snitches, rapists, molesters etc) should be separated in prison. if they're going to die, fine, but it shouldn't be up to another inmate to decide. and while someone is in there, simple tools to help them post-release go a lot farther than a lot of other activities that go on.
 
I don't know what the prison system is like in the US but in Canada its a joke.The inmates have the option of getting their GED and other options of education.The inmates have it better then alot of people on the outside,I don't know if anybody know who Carla Homocua,is and most likely won't with that spelling but anyway,her and her husband raped,and killed and one of the girls was her own sister.Shes out after 10 or 15 yrs. she had more in prsion then she had on the outside.

The justise system has to change in a big way,put the clamp down on the these nut jobs better yet do away with them so we don't have to pay for them to be in prison.
 

Sparky-Watts said:
Huh?:? I guess I missed your point, could you elaborate?:???:

It is the ultimate dererrent. Where morality is not a factor, punishment will remain to be one. For those who are already in prison, going to jail isn't a factor. Some, as in the gang culture, consider jail as a part of life. Knowing that you would have your life ended for taking another would be a deterrent to anyone, and if it wasn't then it would at least end the possibility of it happening twice.
 
TwistedCopper said:
It is the ultimate dererrent. Where morality is not a factor, punishment will remain to be one. For those who are already in prison, going to jail isn't a factor. Some, as in the gang culture, consider jail as a part of life. Knowing that you would have your life ended for taking another would be a deterrent to anyone, and if it wasn't then it would at least end the possibility of it happening twice.

Gotcha. Yeah, if I were to be caught and instantly executed, or even caught, then executed at a later date, I'd have to scrub my "to do" list. However, I was speaking solely on the assumption that if I were caught I'd be let go with no punishment whatsoever.

I firmly believe in "an eye for an eye" when it comes to murder. You kill someone, you should be killed. I also believe the insanity defense should be thrown out. So they're insane, big deal, they killed someone. If they're insane enough to kill once, how do you know they won't do it again?

I agree with the notion that they should be "habilitated" and given an education and set of job skills. Otherwise, all they learn in prison is how to do their crimes better. However, I don't think they should be allowed to have TV's, radios, DVD players, or any other of the "comforts" of home. After all, it is supposed to be punishment.

joedirt said:
I don't know if anybody know who Carla Homocua,is and most likely won't with that spelling but anyway,her and her husband raped,and killed and one of the girls was her own sister.Shes out after 10 or 15 yrs. she had more in prsion then she had on the outside.

Yes, I remember that case. Watched it on Court TV or something similar. Yes, it's true that a lot of inmates have more on the inside than they or their victims had on the outside. On the other hand, I wouldn't give up my freedom for a big screen, DVD, hot tub, swimming pool, etc..
 
Yes, I remember that case. Watched it on Court TV or something similar. Yes, it's true that a lot of inmates have more on the inside than they or their victims had on the outside. On the other hand, I wouldn't give up my freedom for a big screen, DVD, hot tub, swimming pool, etc..


I wouldn't either but to alot of the inmates thats all they know.
 

joedirt said:
to alot of the inmates thats all they know.

True. Why else do you think they'd try to escape or commit some type of crime inside with only 6 months left on a 25 year sentence? Many of them don't want to be back on the outside.
 
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